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Re: Cheater

Post by Xymph » 28 Jul 2009 22:09

xtonythefakerx wrote:so u can't do nothing??u say that my account is ''doomed''?
I didn't say that, I just said your login was found on more than a few tracks to have records that appeared to be cheated. The scans aren't perfect so I often examine the track itself to see whether a given time is feasible, and don't ban when a login cheats just a few times. But if it happened more often, as was the case for your login, then a Dedimania ban is the usual result.
xtonythefakerx wrote:so u are saying me that i gave 39dollars for nothing...
That has nothing to do with it, how you spend your money is entirely your responsibility, as is what you do with your purchase. But certain uses (i.e. cheating) can have consequences. And even this consequence is of limited range, as I'm sure there are plenty servers that don't use the Dedimania blacklist (yet) and you can continue to play there.

And as for not using TMU to cheat, there are over two dozen United logins in the blacklist, so there are actually quite a few players who thought they could away with spoiling things for other players. The vast majority (currently 340+) however use Nations logins, sometimes clearly made to be disposed of once detected, which is rather childish. :roll:
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Re: Cheater

Post by nicomoore0 » 02 Aug 2009 03:32

erm..... 7 pages of cheaters?! :ftw: :ftw:

Is this suppossed to be somekind of joke? :grmblz:

If the exploits for the game are out there why doesn't nadeo track them down and destroy them as this is getting out of hand, its ruining any enjoyment in the game and its getting boring now seeing people hit 15 secs on a 35-40sec maps.

Is a racing game! Why cheat? Why WANT to cheat? what are you actually aiming to gain? LP? you'll get caught before you can even achieve anything.

I'm beginning to slide away from TrackMania recently, only online to maintain our servers but see myself playing more simulator games like flight sim now.

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Re: Cheater

Post by Queen Jadis » 02 Aug 2009 12:20

nicomoore0 wrote:If the exploits for the game are out there why doesn't nadeo track them down and destroy them as this is getting out of hand, its ruining any enjoyment in the game and its getting boring now seeing people hit 15 secs on a 35-40sec maps.
Nadeo doesn't have the resources to get hold of them, that's why we're checking dedimania recs in order to blacklist that scum.
nicomoore0 wrote:Is a racing game! Why cheat? Why WANT to cheat? what are you actually aiming to gain? LP? you'll get caught before you can even achieve anything.
Nobody can tell what these people actually want to achieve. There's no use to ask questions like these, as there are always some gits who act like immature, spoilt children :roll: ; those who dont want to obey rules, those who don't really know what they actually want and those who don't care about other gamers.
nicomoore0 wrote:I'm beginning to slide away from TrackMania recently, only online to maintain our servers but see myself playing more simulator games like flight sim now.
Yup, flight sim rocks :3 .
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Re: Cheater

Post by Xymph » 02 Aug 2009 17:19

nicomoore0 wrote:erm..... 7 pages of cheaters?!
Nope, not just cheater reports, also related discussions. Which you would have known if you had actually browsed through them.
nicomoore0 wrote:Is this suppossed to be somekind of joke?
You would have known it isn't, if you had actually... :roll:
nicomoore0 wrote:If the exploits for the game are out there why doesn't nadeo track them down and destroy them as this is getting out of hand, its ruining any enjoyment in the game and its getting boring now seeing people hit 15 secs on a 35-40sec maps.
Tell me about it. But posts such as these aren't helping. Reports of tracks with cheated Dedimania records would.
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Re: Cheater

Post by Xymph » 03 Aug 2009 13:22

Time for another round-up. Banned/blacklisted logins:

tmforever_fahrer, .-noe-.gunman, jazz8, venomxanthi, erbek32850, clankrobot, kelasr21, zombiedick, guilhermegjcalvo, stoia1, stoia2, stoia3, doneydick, doneydick1, doneydick2, asxetos32, orel222, tyran32, putinsamenerve, nathyzor, ducrj, ducrj1, sakizlakos619, zatla, beast123456, matand14, sekaiotaku, gamias04, hiliholl4, deimumu, www .youporn.com21 (*), ricsee9414

(*) without the space after www, but then the forums software changes it into a link.

And first-timers:

___style___, 2552028296, tankerger, nash_skydrifter, iiiiillllllliiiiilllll, godkevin, mia.steven, theprogamaaa, giesela1994, thedarkdriver, heyhoww, yavuz60, nielsvdhelm, qenne_ben_, bucklol__, tebuta, pixxel, 8anos.th3.loos3r
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Re: Cheater

Post by xtonythefakerx » 11 Aug 2009 20:52

So,you can't do nothing right?
You can not unblack/unban me from the dedi black/banlist??
Please it is not my fault..i told you..i am going to some internet placies and i think that my account is stored there..and someone may cheated with my account.
Please i am beging you,please unblack me,because it is an united account and i am a very good tech player and i get dedi's at good maps and they aren't stored.
p.s sorry i couldn't answer earlier because i was off [vacations].

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Re: Cheater

Post by Xymph » 11 Aug 2009 21:30

xtonythefakerx wrote:Please it is not my fault..i told you..i am going to some internet placies and i think that my account is stored there..and someone may cheated with my account.
Sorry, but that's nonsense.

Anyway, read this thread for my and other people's stance on this.
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Re: Cheater

Post by xtonythefakerx » 13 Aug 2009 04:04

ok sorry about cheating..
It wasn't my fault..
And after this i am <<out>> of tm.
I got seek cuz i gaved 30 euros and took 80k LP and someguyz Banned me cuz i made some cheats which i am regrating.that's all i have to say,Good luck all with ur lives..
Xymph,tnx dude for not unbaning me..GL to you.u all should get a life.

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Re: Cheater

Post by Xymph » 13 Aug 2009 10:33

Sure... whatever, kid. :roll:
I'm providing a service by trying to keep the Dedimania world records database (itself also a free service) as unpolluted from cheated entries as possible. It's the cheaters that should get a life. :evil: And the kid that built the cheats is wasting a possible programming talent instead of doing something useful and meaningful with it.


Oh well, this is just as good a time as any to supply a fresh report of banned/blacklisted logins since Aug 3:

mr_pro, yavuz60, 8anos.th3.loos3r, alexi_tmuf, geogames, robin_897, themike98, siema11, nitro2354, miltos123, ecnadnax, schneeweisschen, sdfklfjalskfjksladkjfkldj, tomdeplayer, lenoxenery, babameca, freaktohell, luckystryke, michi270893, pacmen, hallelulja12, cheater9000, dydada

And those that are one more cheat away from the same fate:

rubinho_10_, adegia, musta_bol, casta1, kimmelstang, yenisar32, ale996, bonslolo, jokkedude, playfreak, tony1000aaa, michael_shumi_4_ever, valjevac, scorpion_12, xl3oebies, raymost, dede1010, themaky, sven373, johann1312
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Re: Cheater

Post by FoxShadow » 13 Aug 2009 14:34

xtonythefakerx wrote:...
And after this i am <<out>> of tm.
How you can go <<out>> if you never was IN ? because I think cheaters never are IN the game, they don´t want learn to play, don´t want be better itselfs, etc.
Bye and good luck! :thumbsup:


And Xymph, thanks for all your unpaid efford to keep these cheater off. :sweet:
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Re: Cheater

Post by jimos94 » 16 Aug 2009 01:53

I wanted to make a comment on a track called "Very Short 04" by tx_prAHA. The times that are written in dedimania are between 6.00 and 6.04 but that track has two cuts that are possible to be done pretty easily, so some players managed to do below 6 and one of them managed to finish with a time of 3.85 seconds! I hope the ones that scan the dedimania db (slig & Xymph i guess) won't consider it as cheat because it's a shame some players to be added in the dedi bl for such a reason. Generally, tracks like this one ( Very Short 04 ) shouldn't be created.
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Re: Cheater

Post by Xymph » 16 Aug 2009 09:58

jimos94 wrote:I wanted to make a comment on a track called "Very Short 04" by tx_prAHA. The times that are written in dedimania are between 6.00 and 6.04 but that track has two cuts that are possible to be done pretty easily, so some players managed to do below 6 and one of them managed to finish with a time of 3.85 seconds! I hope the ones that scan the dedimania db (slig & Xymph i guess) won't consider it as cheat because it's a shame some players to be added in the dedi bl for such a reason. Generally, tracks like this one ( Very Short 04 ) shouldn't be created.
Yeah, its author time is 8.79 secs, so that was a bad time. Tracks with an author time under 8 secs shouldn't be sent to Dedimania, but I doubt all controllers respect that requirement, and it wouldn't have helped in this case anyway.

However, as per the Dedimania API any finish times under 6 secs are ignored altogether, that's why you won't see these 3.8x and higher times in the database at all, for this track nor any other. Thus there's no chance that they'll turn up in my scans as suspected cheats either, so no worries. :)
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Re: Cheater

Post by Queen Jadis » 16 Aug 2009 10:01

jimos94 wrote:The times that are written in dedimania are between 6.00 and 6.04 but that track has two cuts that are possible to be done pretty easily, so some players managed to do below 6 and one of them managed to finish with a time of 3.85 seconds! I hope the ones that scan the dedimania db (slig & Xymph i guess) won't consider it as cheat because it's a shame some players to be added in the dedi bl for such a reason.
I doubt anyone would try to blacklist them without knowing the track. As you can see here, these times are "legal" and unhacked.
jimos94 wrote:Generally, tracks like this one ( Very Short 04 ) shouldn't be created.
I don't think praha will read that.
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Re: Cheater

Post by Xymph » 16 Aug 2009 10:49

Queen Jadis wrote:
jimos94 wrote:The times that are written in dedimania are between 6.00 and 6.04 but that track has two cuts that are possible to be done pretty easily, so some players managed to do below 6 and one of them managed to finish with a time of 3.85 seconds! I hope the ones that scan the dedimania db (slig & Xymph i guess) won't consider it as cheat because it's a shame some players to be added in the dedi bl for such a reason.
I doubt anyone would try to blacklist them without knowing the track. A you can see here, these times are "legal" and unhacked.
Yeah, I frequently check the actual tracks, and the fastest replay for them if available, before suspecting a fast record is cheated. But that's why it's frustrating that only a bit over 50% of all tracks known to Dedimania have been uploaded to TMX and/or ShareMania. That makes it harder to investigate suspicious times, and it's disappointing that so many track builders didn't make their tracks properly available.

Even then, one or two (probably-)cheated records still don't result in a Dedimania ban, just to avoid mistakes based on tracks that cannot be verified.
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jimos94 wrote:Generally, tracks like this one ( Very Short 04 ) shouldn't be created.
I don't think praha will read that.
His mistake. :wink: But not nearly as big a mistake as building a 8+ second track that can be finished in less than 4. Sheesh. :roll:
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Re: Cheater

Post by szkodnik » 17 Aug 2009 18:42

dorzeszek wrote: and very denger hacker and destructor:
20szn , szkodnisia , szkodziu ,
Proof that :x

Cheaters from my blist and not present in dedimania_blacklist:
<login>t.w.21</login>
<login>wieczor93</login>
It's only warning. Be careful with this logins. I don't have logs, because cheated times was not on my srv.
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