Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by Zooz » 13 Oct 2008 16:50

80.000 isn't in the 80-90k range. You're tied with the hordes of other players stuck at 80k. If you'd have 80.001 points, your rank would be in the top 1000.

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by nouseforname » 13 Oct 2008 17:33

Zooz wrote:80.000 isn't in the 80-90k range. You're tied with the hordes of other players stuck at 80k. If you'd have 80.001 points, your rank would be in the top 1000.

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by biggetje » 13 Oct 2008 17:48

no... im now at 80125 and my rank is 1337.

Sorry, just trying to understand how this works :?

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by nouseforname » 13 Oct 2008 20:40

biggetje wrote:no... im now at 80125 and my rank is 1337.

Sorry, just trying to understand how this works :?

well for me thats clear i think. i had lost 2000 points last night. today morning i had 80xxx and rank 10xx. but the display of this rank needed a while. direct after login it was 12xx.

now i have 823xx points and rank 9xx.

friend of mine was below 80k in the morning and 11xx rank.

it's now just an issue of how much points you will lost. some lost only 400 some like me 2000. thats the thing i dont like.
cause u need lot more time to get 2000 points as u need for 400.

anyway, the whole thing is a matter of how much time u spend on high rank servers. its not about skill only. i am lucky hosting high rank servers^^
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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by biggetje » 13 Oct 2008 21:53

It still doesn't make any sense at all. If 1100 players are capped at 80.000, and ranks are updated every 24 hours, than someone with 80.000+ should have a rank below 1100 if he gets that score within the first 24 hours timeframe.

This whole points thing is stupid and needs to be redone properly.

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by wilameta » 13 Oct 2008 22:13

I take it that real time updating isn't possible?
How about every 4 hours then? Or 8 hours? Or 12 hours?

Maybe it is too processor/bandwidth intensive or whatever, but if not then it seemes to me more frequent updates of the ladder would clear a lot of things up for those who care about such things. :wink:

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by wilameta » 13 Oct 2008 23:32

What I really don't understand is why the top 4 are tied at 99,525.70.

Did they all tie at 100k and have the same amount taken away?
Because I thought you lost points due to being passed by someone.

Does this mean that as long as at least two people tie with 100K durring RoC that no one will ever have 100K?

Or is it just another bug that needs to be worked out?

And just for the record....I have no problems with this ladder system. Just trying to sort it all out. :)

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by Zooz » 13 Oct 2008 23:35

wilameta wrote:
Did they all tie at 100k and have the same amount taken away?
Yes
wilameta wrote: Because I thought you lost points due to being passed by someone.
No
wilameta wrote: Does this mean that as long as at least two people tie with 100K durring RoC that no one will ever have 100K?
No
wilameta wrote: Or is it just another bug that needs to be worked out?
No
wilameta wrote: Because I thought you lost points due to being passed by someone.
You lose points for people who enter your part of the ladder (a part being 90-100k, 80-90k, etc). Every once in a while points are adjusted downwards (everyone in the ladder part loses the same amount of points to not affect ranks) in such a way that the 101th player has 90k (in case of the top part).

Example time!

After some playing, things look like this:

1. Player X 100000 pts
101. Player A 92000 pts
140. Player B 90000 pts

Then when the (weekly?) point subtraction happens, players 1 to 140 all lose 2000 points, because that's how much it takes to put the 101th player outside the ladder part and the 100th in.
So then the new situation is

1. Player X 98000 pts
101. Player A 90000 pts
???. Player B 88000 pts

The rank of player B doesn't have to be 140 I think, because if, for example, the 90-80k part of the ladder only loses 500 points, players who had 89000 pts will end up before player B with 88500 pts. I'm not sure about that part though, because Florent said you won't lose rank, but that's what I think happens, and that would explain the mysterious large drops in ranks in the upper parts of the ladder parts.

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by wilameta » 13 Oct 2008 23:39

Hmmmmmm.... this explains a lot.
Thx Zooz. :thumbsup:

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by Florent » 14 Oct 2008 09:50

we have to update the points on Monday only 90K+ server rules. If we reduce points of people on 90K+ during the week, they will have no way to sustain their rank or would be unaffected by reduction and would easily keep their places.

We will double check the rank thing, but there is no logical reason

we subtract over 90K but we do a linear average under that respect the ranking

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by Florent » 14 Oct 2008 10:22

we have checked and it looks like no places were lost. So, if some places are lost, it is probably because some players went ahead

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by jamie_macdonald » 14 Oct 2008 12:11

Nice to see its working as planned ... I lost a few places but being passed is a daily occurance anyway hehe

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by Chaos123 » 14 Oct 2008 13:50

but how can we get above 90k?

i had 90k before sunday

then, on sunday i played on 100k server as much as i can

i made 500 points and got the 75 rank

now, on monday i had only 89,800 points and lost 50 ranks

the only thing i can do is to reach 90k again (the 3 time) and there is no way to get more because i can only play ca.~2 hours in one week

all people with less then 90k close in on me and my rank is 300+ in a few days so i dont see the advantage of this system
(my teammate dont played sunday and got the same rank because i have no chance to get away)

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by Zooz » 14 Oct 2008 16:42

It means you gained less points on Sunday than the others who tried to get in the 100k part from 90k. Basically, drive faster ;)

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Re: Ladder reducing points, rank is the same

Post by spectral » 14 Oct 2008 16:51

This system is **** :grmblz:

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