regarding the +50k servers rules and formula

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regarding the +50k servers rules and formula

Post by Alinoa » 18 Jul 2008 16:36

RULES

I'm trying to clarify some of rules regarding the +50k servers.
For all the +50k servers :
- public server means that players and spectators don't have to enter a password to login.
- no guests lists system
- no kick or ban for bad reasons
- at least 6 spectator places for the servers between 40k and 80k.

Regarding the tracks quality, we don't have yet found the best format for the + 70k servers.
Lol maps are not allowed and some Full speed tracks can be tolerated (if they have skill on it, if players have to train them to finish them for example). However full speed tracks are not allowed for RoC servers. Until we have defined the rules more precisely, you can use tracks whose length > 45 seconds with technical / acrobatic or speed parts. The ESWC or ESL tracks are interesting in more ways than one and can be selected. But I don't think the tracks format can be the same as for the ESWC tracks. So I will come back toward you regarding the tracks format within two weeks.

edited on 2009 march 16th regarding the permission of adding full speed tracks


FORMULA
Florent wrote:We just switched the ranking formula for the zones: countries and regions.

The new way to compute is to take into account the top three players of each country into account.
We have observed this formula and the results are interesting and change more often. The most important thing is that it focus more on some players.

So, here is the formula:
Country points = 0.5 * Country 1st points + 0.333 * Country 2nd points + 0.166 * Country 3rd points

The current ranking is:

1. Hungary [97448.00]
2. Germany [96916.88]
3. Greece [96303.99]
4. France [96195.15]
5. Poland [95435.46]
6. Spain [94827.27]
7. Netherlands [94156.59]
8. Austria [93842.63]
9. Italy [93190.56]
10. United States of America [93122.26]

And the top 3 of these countries are:

Hungary:
1 kajczy 98458.72
2 nagy_mester_b 97293.53
3 davsonic 94724.76

Germany:
1 andreas_hitz 97385.49
2 djkueken 96821.41
3 hubsi_gll 95702.01

Greece:
1 mietsel 97043.53
2 subarakiasxxx 96348.76
3 leothegreek 93995.83

France:
1 naloun 97537.99
2 speeddu53 95229.14
3 zepset 94098.66

Poland:
1 dawid-dada 98458.72
2 plastunio 94073.92
3 olekjudo 89088.79

Spain:
1 nengg 96017.86
2 mario311 93733.09
3 c4t4__ 93443.85

Netherlands:
1 zooz 97748.45
2 mighty-mike 90762.10
3 cagieracer 90169.98

Austria:
1 prayer 98021.63
2 uebersoldier 89977.09
3 zuckerfrosch 89036.70

Italy:
1 are777 95412.10
2 falchi_davide 91748.92
3 babazz 89409.20

United States of America:
1 _evan_ 94336.42
2 solonar2 93613.50
3 tebylla 88497.31

We tested this formula on the 10/09 also, and the top 5 countries were:
1. Germany 97394.50
2. Hungary 97286.59
3. France 97277.00
4. United States of America 95527.25
5. Spain 95271.76

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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by m&o » 18 Jul 2008 16:39

there might be good reasons but FS can have great skill in it, oke most of them are just straight forward and easy turns

btw. you forgot pf tracks:P

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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Zooz » 18 Jul 2008 16:40

Nice to see an update on this :)
Unfortunately with rules you have to spell out everything even if it's obvious, or they will find a way around :roflol:

It might also be good to have a rule about respawning, it should either be possible to respawn from all checkpoints on the tracks, or respawns should be off. I prefer the first one.

Also, any info on how it will be possible to lose points? In theory, everyone will end up at 100.000 points eventually with the current system, so this can't be the final one. There will have to be a way to lose points, I think.

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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Domi » 18 Jul 2008 16:49

weeha nice :lol:
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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Daddy_mfX » 18 Jul 2008 18:12

Alinoa wrote: I will close the servers with lol maps and FS tracks.
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im glad to see, that its moving in the good direction :lovetm :lovenadeo:

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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Helstar » 18 Jul 2008 20:43

Nice to hear this, using fs maps on rounds mode is a little bit irritanting too (mostly when you don't even know the map xD !).
you can use tracks whose length > 1 minute with technical / acrobatic or speed parts
This means that tech maps with WR little bit under 1' are not allowed ? There are a lot of fantastic tech maps of 50-55 sec (well actually most of the tournament tech maps are from 50" to 1' !). Need a fix maybe :D

Need also some infos about 80-100k "Sunday" server too (is it maybe too early to request one ?).
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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Boumsong » 19 Jul 2008 00:13

Zooz wrote:Also, any info on how it will be possible to lose points? In theory, everyone will end up at 100.000 points eventually with the current system, so this can't be the final one. There will have to be a way to lose points, I think.
I thought this too, needs to be thought about soon as the first players have reached 90k ;)

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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Daddy_mfX » 19 Jul 2008 05:46

Boumsong wrote:I thought this too, needs to be thought about soon as the first players have reached 90k ;)
nah, i saw playing guys from the top and they needed 10-11days to reach the 90k (so its at least 30-40hours)... the 80-100k servers will be open only once a week for 2hours with 8slots.... so i guess, they have 3-4months :wink:

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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Fixron » 19 Jul 2008 08:12

Hi Alin

FS maps are nice ,i think its better 20% fs,80% tech .

however,i still see minimaps (-30 sec) in 50k ---90k servers


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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Slig » 19 Jul 2008 08:22

Zooz wrote:Also, any info on how it will be possible to lose points? In theory, everyone will end up at 100.000 points eventually with the current system, so this can't be the final one. There will have to be a way to lose points, I think.
Giving negative points to "losers" in case of 70+ servers ? :P (i mean Pro racing and Races of champions servers)

m&o wrote:there might be good reasons but FS can have great skill in it, oke most of them are just straight forward and easy turns
Yes, some "FS" maps are possible to be really driven FS only with a prefect trajectories, making them technical maps too. I think that alinoa is meaning maps where you can easily reach the finish without releasing the throttle.

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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Zooz » 19 Jul 2008 10:42

A FS map is a FS map, they always require less skill to finish simply because you only use the steering controls, while normally you use the gas / brake controls too.

Also, you usually can't respawn on them and if you can, you'll be going too slow to finish still. And when multiple people drive it perfectly (as would often be the case on a high level server) the end result basically depends on luck, like landings, loop bugs, or what happened on a rammstein. This is because there's only one way to drive it, and that way is pretty simple due to the FS aspect.

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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Daddy_mfX » 19 Jul 2008 11:30

and to mention... as a serveradmin you can add hard FS maps, which you need to know to finish, so you have an huge advantage... and when the other players learn these tracks, you can just simply change them and start again... :o

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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Slig » 19 Jul 2008 11:45

Zooz wrote:Also, you usually can't respawn on them and if you can, you'll be going too slow to finish still.
That is depending of envirs: on some it can also be true for not FS maps, on some others it is false for FS maps.
And when multiple people drive it perfectly (as would often be the case on a high level server) the end result basically depends on luck, like landings, loop bugs, or what happened on a rammstein. This is because there's only one way to drive it, and that way is pretty simple due to the FS aspect.
I was thinking of maps on which even a Zooz can't drive it full FS without at least little errors, or less than 1 run of 10 ;)
Daddy_mfX wrote:and to mention... as a serveradmin you can add hard FS maps, which you need to know to finish, so you have an huge advantage... and when the other players learn these tracks, you can just simply change them and start again... :o
That is true on every kind of map, except short & easy ones...


Btw i don't say that FS maps are good thing here, just that there is really different kind of FS maps....

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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Sonny » 19 Jul 2008 14:39

wow nadeo rocks :thumbsup:

nice to hear from them

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Re: regarding the +50k servers rules

Post by Daddy_mfX » 19 Jul 2008 16:45

Slig wrote:That is true on every kind of map, except short & easy ones...
99% of big competition tracks you can finish without any problem, after multiple crashes
but on lot of fullspeeders 1 crash or even a wall-touch makes it impossible to finish

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