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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.8.9 (NEW)
PostPosted: 21 Oct 2011 11:36 
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Sorry Xymph and Undef,

maybe it's because I'm German and use bad english :roflol:

but still thanks to you and your help

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 23 Oct 2011 16:13 
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Just wanna say: There is an update out there... see my first post.

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 24 Oct 2011 13:43 
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undef.de wrote:
Fixed the <TAB> issue that did not display the automatic Scoreboard.


TIP TOP! :thumbsup:

Will try it asap - thanks!!!

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 30 Oct 2011 17:06 
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Undef made an important update/fix, i gonna post it here too as most wont check first post regularly i think:

undef.de wrote:

EDIT 2011-10-29: Since http://www.bilderload.com was crashed, here the new locations (updated the download too):
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<bar_gold>http://www.abload.de/img/s_bar_goldhjt8.png</bar_gold>
<bar_silver>http://www.abload.de/img/s_bar_silver0jtt.png</bar_silver>
<bar_bronze>http://www.abload.de/img/s_bar_bronzerkfh.png</bar_bronze>
<bar_default>http://www.abload.de/img/s_bar_ranked7j65.png</bar_default>
<bar_norank>http://www.abload.de/img/s_bar_unrankedo8c5.png</bar_norank>
<bar_blank>http://www.abload.de/img/s_bar_blankfkqp.png</bar_blank>
<bar_team>http://www.abload.de/img/s_bar_teammodeu8kp.png</bar_team>

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 04 Nov 2011 17:15 
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Hey Undef ...

i live your alternate scoretable but a lot of people mentioned that there is a bug or very bad behaviour of your plugin.

Lets say someone drives a 1:00:00 time and gets 100 LP at the current track, everything alright ... the next map he is AFK and therefore does not drive any time on this track. At the end, he will be listed again with a best time of 1:00:00 and 100LP for a track he doesnt even drove!

Is it possible to fix this? In short: If someone does NOT drive the current map there should be -.- and --.--.-- and -.- LP entries at the scoreboard as this would be the true data for him.

Hope you know what i mean. The current behaviour of ur plugin is very confusing and some people moan about that as it sometimes looks like someone cheated or someone gets points even if he does not got a time at the last map :( And it is very annyoing and time-comsumpting to explaing that to the players every single time.

Hope you can fix this ... Thanks a lot! <3

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 04 Nov 2011 19:13 
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As far as I know, the points are the total points you get on the server on this visit, so this will increase every race (if you get points) or stay the same when you don't race.
undef.de wrote:
Known errors or bad behavior:
  • The Total Ladder-Score are display delayed for one Track, because the 'LadderScore'
    in the ListMethod GetCurrentRanking() from the dedicated Server are not refreshed
    within the Score. It takes some time the 'LadderScore' is refreshed.

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 04 Nov 2011 19:48 
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yamyam wrote:
Lets say someone drives a 1:00:00 time and gets 100 LP at the current track, everything alright ... the next map he is AFK and therefore does not drive any time on this track. At the end, he will be listed again with a best time of 1:00:00 and 100LP for a track he doesnt even drove!


About the LP, see previous post from Ant.

About the time: Do you mean the BEST or the TIME column? If BEST, then this is the Personal-Best-Time the Player has driven maybe a long time ago. See also:

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 04 Nov 2011 23:35 
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Oh i see .. mayne misunderstandings here ;)
I gonny try to bring light into the dark :D


undef.de wrote:
About the LP, see previous post from Ant.

Ehm no ... i do NOT mean the total ladde points column, that problem i know and its totaly ok. I mean the column where the ladder points are shown every player got for the last driven map!

undef.de wrote:
About the time: Do you mean the BEST or the TIME column? If BEST, then this is the Personal-Best-Time the Player has driven maybe a long time ago.

Also a misunderstanding as the above mentioned is totaly clear ;) ... i mean the TIME column.


May clan members just wonder (rightly) why there is data shown (LP, times, etc) even if the player have been AFK for the last 30 minutes! ... To get this to one sentence: The Alternate Scoretable should handle this like the original scoretable. No action = no data. Not reached the finish line the last map = no leadderpoints oder times should be listen (expect the BEST TIME of the player and his total LP and RANK).

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2011 14:10 
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yamyam wrote:
Oh i see .. mayne misunderstandings here ;)
I gonny try to bring light into the dark :D


undef.de wrote:
About the LP, see previous post from Ant.

Ehm no ... i do NOT mean the total ladde points column, that problem i know and its totaly ok. I mean the column where the ladder points are shown every player got for the last driven map!

thats a feature not a bug it does add the lp that a player get on the time he is on the server


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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2011 17:32 
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yamyam wrote:
undef.de wrote:
About the time: Do you mean the BEST or the TIME column? If BEST, then this is the Personal-Best-Time the Player has driven maybe a long time ago.

Also a misunderstanding as the above mentioned is totaly clear ;) ... i mean the TIME column.

May clan members just wonder (rightly) why there is data shown (LP, times, etc) even if the player have been AFK for the last 30 minutes! ... To get this to one sentence: The Alternate Scoretable should handle this like the original scoretable. No action = no data. Not reached the finish line the last map = no leadderpoints oder times should be listen (expect the BEST TIME of the player and his total LP and RANK).


Hmm... not really clear what do you mean... please make a screenshot and mark the related columns.

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2011 19:51 
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TheBigG wrote:
thats a feature not a bug it does add the lp that a player get on the time he is on the server


How can this be a feature? The regular scoretable do not do that and the alternate scoretable shouldnt do that too. There is no sense in my eyes. The users want to know exactly how many LP each one got last map.

The only use- and senseful way (for all who really needs the addition of all LP per session) would be to add another column where all LP are added of the server session time.

Like:
LP last map = 41.4
LP total/session = 903.4

Know hat i mean?
So if someone would get no LP last map but already got some in his server session it would be like:

LP last map = -.-
LP total/session = 903.4

This way it would make sense. The current way (if it is like you said) it is just irritating and confusing. Thats what my clanmembers told me ... they are confused. Just as me. ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2011 19:54 
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undef.de wrote:
Hmm... not really clear what do you mean... please make a screenshot and mark the related columns.


Of course ... next time i am playing i will. Stay tuned... ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 05 Nov 2011 20:15 
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yamyam wrote:
TheBigG wrote:
thats a feature not a bug it does add the lp that a player get on the time he is on the server


How can this be a feature? The regular scoretable do not do that and the alternate scoretable shouldnt do that too.


The reason for this to be a feature is, that the dedicated server did not know the won Ladderpoints for each Player at Score.

The dedicated server knows this a little bit later, after the next map has loaded. And therefore this is a total of all won Ladderpoints for the whole session the Player is on this Server.

I can´t do something to get the won Ladderpoints at Score, that´s why it is in the "Known errors or bad behavior" list.

Unless you know how to calculate the Ladderpoints that each Player has won for the last Map, then i can include them. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2011 06:05 
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undef.de wrote:
The reason for this to be a feature is, that the dedicated server did not know the won Ladderpoints for each Player at Score.

The dedicated server knows this a little bit later, after the next map has loaded. And therefore this is a total of all won Ladderpoints for the whole session the Player is on this Server.

I can´t do something to get the won Ladderpoints at Score, that´s why it is in the "Known errors or bad behavior" list.


I understand ... but how does the regular scoretable does it? As i know it is doing exactly what i asked for AS to do, or not?

At the regular scoretable i see my time and laddepoints of the last driven map. If i havent got any time i also see no time and no ladderpoints. Thats what i would like/have. That A.S. exactly acts as the regular scoretable does.

Dont know if you can do this or if you could implement a config variable so the users could config if the AS should act like it does right now or if it should act like the regular scoretable does.

Dont get me wrong. Im judt wondering and i also have to explain my players how this works (or not). They just wonder and beeing confused my the data AS presents and how it shows up.

Its definitly not like the regular scoretable handles the data.

Thanks for your answer and help. Maybe my technical understanding isnt big enough to realy check IF and WHAT is the problem and IF or HOW to "fix" it. ;-)

undef.de wrote:
Unless you know how to calculate the Ladderpoints that each Player has won for the last Map, then i can include them. :wink:


Thex regular scoreboard exactly does that. So you maybe ask someone from nadeo how they do it? Im sure they can help you to also calculate the exact LP for every player after each map. :thumbsup:

And again, pls dont get me wrong:
The idea (feature) to show all the LP a player won in his session he is online at a server is nice, but then you should add a new column (i.e. LP total this session) as i think 99% of the players expect to have the won LP for the last map to show up at the current LP column. Like they are usual from the regular scorebard.



So to get this to a line:
If it is possible for you dear undef, then i would love to ask you if it would be possible to add a config feature to set the awesome alternate scortable plugin to act 1:1 exactly as the reg. scoretable does. This would be GREAT! :thumbsup:

:lovetm

This "problem" is maybe also too complicated for me to discuss it in english. Undef, if you want we can discuss this in german via PN or have a phone call. This will make it much easier for both of us to explain and understand what each part of us means ;-)

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 Post subject: Re: [XASECO2] Plugin: Alternate Scoretable 0.9.0 (UPDATE)
PostPosted: 06 Nov 2011 09:39 
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@yamyam he already did wrote thats imposible if you ask a question 5 times it won't help

Ladder calc
every Player join the match sends info to ladder server, on end of the track every player sends the result of the match + time that was played and get from ladder server the result in ladderpoints back.

so i think it is impossible to calculate them local


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